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vvv111
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Do not really like to publicly write on this topic ...
But apparently to us again do not listen. It is a pity ... (: s14 
Let's look at the problem from a very different side. This game does not allow to formally withdraw money from it. That is, at the time of payment to the bank account of the game, I say goodbye to my money. They are not my property, and the property owners (shareholders, managers, etc.) of the game. Instead I get something ephemeral. Which, after the introduction of these changes in the game, I can not even dispose of my will. Before, I could not support my comrades in the game in any way, now I can not. I is severely limit the rights of disposition of the property of the ephemeral. What's more ... The amount of this ephemeral property is not subject to control. Because of their ephemeral nature of this substance can be "painted" in any quantity. Therefore ... The value of this ephemeral currency not even be estimated. Until now, I did not consider the economic component of the game. This changes the rules of the game makes me wonder about the process from the point of view - and What I actually buy for my money? Apparently - fiction . Now I can not even dispose of this fiction at its discretion. I was denied this right. Question ... Is it worth it to spend money on such a fiction? I think any sane person will answer unequivocally - Do not! Earlier though I was an illusion, and it is now taken away. Note ... I understand that my investment in this game fiction, but put up with the situation. Now, a complete disregard leadership views the game players, again making me rethink my attitude to the game. I have long hoped for a constructive dialogue between the players and the leadership of the game. But apparently this is just my pipe dream. Flaws in the game as they were, and are. Logs - lie. Citadel - "hang". Logistics - the "thing in itself". Kogg swim where they want. Heroes - "hiding". I have this list could go on for a long time. The benefit of experience in the game enough. More than just hurt disregard opinions of players. Riga are constantly dictating rules of the game to us. And they are changing the basis of its own, it is absolutely incomprehensible reasons. On the transfer of possession of gold was built strategy game with many players. If the transfer of gold for me - it's just my desire to help others, then, for many, it is strategy development and maintenance of a game account. And after that we can by the thought - what innovations can we facilitate to play the game! I'd like to raise his right hand high ... Sharply lower it ... With the appropriate foul language, and forget about this game. Sincerely, Master 4-orders, vvv111. |
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vvv111
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в: 08 May 2013 [10:49]
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Bella24
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в: 08 May 2013 [15:20]
it makes no sense ==
the players who do not buy gold still wont I bought gold to help my vassals and friends -- if i cant transfer them gold -- I will be buying LESS gold if I buy any at all so by getting rid of the transfer of gold - the developers are shooting themselves in the foot ! and dont tell me its about stopping multi-acccounts -- if a player is doing that , he certainly doesnt need to transfer -- he can just use the same bank card this is absolute 
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schnitzer90
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в: 08 May 2013 [20:51]
If I understand all this correctly, helping an order member out with some gold will be possible again, as soon as the developers have implemented their new system of seperating what they call "bonus gold" from "normal" gold.
They aren't taking out the option to transfer gold permanently, what they are trying to do is prevent abuse of the current system.  That is something that I have been waiting for, in fact.
That's definetly true.   That's why I think there should be an overhaul with old bugs and inconveniences being removed rather than implementing new stuff.
But that is a different story. |
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Bella24
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в: 08 May 2013 [22:26]
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Bella24
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в: 08 May 2013 [22:28]
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в: 08 May 2013 [22:58]
Only difference, bonus gold is account-bound. Meaning that it can not be transferred to another account in its purist form (gold). I've been told that the early implementation of this, the game will not distinguish between them, ergo, you as a player will not know how much of each type of gold you have unless you are good at accounting. However, know that the bonus gold will be spend first (unless in the case of a pure transfer, which then your normal gold will be used). Correct, this new gold type is just that, "new". If you know how the game works, I'm sure you can come up with clever ways to cheat. I will not explain into details of the many ways I can think of how to cheat as such talk will inform more players on how to cheat. a rep hit of 10 rep is not much. you can transfer 1000 gold per 50 rep which can easily be recovered with gold or simple time. Honestly, I think the biggest problem is not with the transfer of gold but with multi-accounts in general. But I think we all know that to a certain extent. Lastly, it will be about 2-4 weeks before this system is implemented so until then, gold transfers will be disabled. After the new system is in place, gold transfers will be enabled. I do not know if the system will modify gold already on the player's account. I think it will not but I do not know. |
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schnitzer90
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в: 08 May 2013 [23:17]
Bella24
I can only interpret what the developers have wrote about this topic in the Russian and in the German forum. My view on this is neither a prediction nor a guarantee. 
The developers say that "normal" gold will be such gold that is bought regularly or received by auction. And "bonus gold" is what is - for example - given away in special offers, such as in the early stage of the game. From what I've read, the abuse that has happened was that people took advantage of "bonus gold" and transfered it to their biggest account which was on another server. I guess you could call it multi-accounting for more gold. |
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vvv111
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в: 09 May 2013 [17:44]
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Maddog
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в: 15 May 2013 [19:25]
исправлено: 15 May 2013 [19:27]
I need to bring this topic up again because it is still extremely troubling that they create an avenue for certain players to cheat, and because they did this without thinking they have now removed the option for regular players to support their friends and allies with gold.
1) I used to send gold to my allies or vassals (through diplomacy otpions) to either help them or for them to do me favors. They would be able to do me a favor and also receive some gold for themselves. No I have no way of doing this and I am completely frustrated. 2) I used to be able to purchase gold to different accounts to support them...this option is also removed because in the "Buy Gold" option there is no place to type in a specific players name. It seems the only way for me to buy gold for another player is to have them give me their account password and then buy gold for them...this is completely unacceptable. I refuse to ask other players for their passwords to do this and I shouldn't have to. I will give you a perfect example of this: I want my vassal to be able to pass me more mercenary points than they currently are. I would then purchase gold to their account so they could build a Mercenary camp and they would also receive some gold for their personal use. Another Example: I have an Order Member that is having financial troubles and I want to help them out by buying them some gold. Now I can't do this anymore. So, now I can't pass them gold using diplomacy features and I can't buy gold directly to their account. Congratulations AmberGames, you are in a lose/lose situation because you are not making this profit from players that would utilize this to benefit themselves and their allies/vassals. You have removed 2 huge benefits to the gold feature in this game, and both need to be added back. |
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schnitzer90
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в: 15 May 2013 [20:19]
You seem to forget that this always was a temporary solution, until the new system has been added. I can understand your points and it might be frustrating, but this was never supposed to be final, so I don't see why you would ask for these features to be brought back.
It'd make more sense to ask when the new system will be introduced, since nobody - except those who actually did abuse it - can be in favor of the abuse of the old system. Isn't that true or am I missing a crucial point? |
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Maddog
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в: 16 May 2013 [10:55]
исправлено: 16 May 2013 [10:58]
They should have just removed the update that allowed people to abuse the old system, instead of removing these features.
Plus, I don't see the buying gold to other peoples accounts as part of this abuse...but maybe I am wrong on that. And since you will pick apart my words...I'll ask your question. When will this new system of Gold be up and running because many many players are getting extremely frustrated with this and are ready to quit. |
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playground
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в: 16 May 2013 [15:19]
исправлено: 16 May 2013 [15:20]
I would like to confirm what Crimson have said regarding gold transfer.
We are going to implement 2 key features: 1. Account bound gold - the type of gold that cannot be transfered to another player (this will be only bonus gold which was obtained via promo actions or special discounts) 2. Restriction to transfer gold until certain account level or title, we did not decide yet which title it would be. I cannot give you exact date when it will be implemented, but we will inform you as soon there will be a date. |
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Bella24
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в: 16 May 2013 [15:47]
исправлено: 16 May 2013 [15:52]
what or why does a players level make a difference when transferring gold ?? what am I missing ? How will a level/title stop the abuse ? As stated above -- the multi-accounting is the problem -- On BOH -- we are trying to finish a contour but the same few players keep adding multi-accounts each day because they know some will spawn in the area we need --- this means waiting another few weeks before that new spawn goes grey and another day to destroy the city before we have any chance of completing which is another problem -- as I have looked into it , it seems that new cities only spawn in 3 or 4 vallays at the most |
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Maddog
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в: 16 May 2013 [23:04]
Although I appreciate your response Playground...I'm not entirely satisfied since it could be a while before this is implemented.
But my biggest issue is that you didn't address the other problem...which is that we can no longer purchase gold to other people's accounts (on the new User Interface servers). |
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в: 16 May 2013 [23:19]
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